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MasterThrawn · Apr 20, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by wheel

Guild Wars Factions: Upgrade Edition

Add 4 character slots to your existing 4!!! 8 total!!!!
Access to Cantha!!
$69.99

Guild Wars Factions: Standard Edition

Get 4 character slots!!
Access to Cantha!!
$49.99

I love how ArenaNet charges more for repeat customers to get the same utility out of the same product as a new customer. Way to go!!! Seriously Anet, if you want to have your current customer base expand, stuff like this needs to stop happening.

Ummm - you forgot that people who only buy factions cannot go to Prophecies and back. Granted you paid for Prophecies, but I do not think this is quite true. Don't merge accounts, you'll have your 8 slots for the same price as "new" players. If you choose to merge - this is how it is.

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

You forgot to subtract the amount for the fact that your 4 existing characters also have access to cantha, and the 4 new ones have access to tyria.

No, that's completely wrong. If I buy factions with prophecies, I'm only gaining the access to Cantha and 2 character slots. If I buy factions without prophecies, i'm getting access to Cantha and 4 character slots. Why should the fact that I already purchased Prophecies have an effect on how many character slots I get when I buy Factions? That's ridiculous logic.

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Originally Posted by MasterThrawn

Ummm - you forgot that people who only buy factions cannot go to Prophecies and back. Granted you paid for Prophecies, but I do not think this is quite true. Don't merge accounts, you'll have your 8 slots for the same price as "new" players. If you choose to merge - this is how it is.

No, I didn't forget anything. I already PAID for the ability to do prophecies. I'm being punished by paying more - $19.98, to get the same gameplay that I would have if I were a new player. This whole "merging" of accounts is complete rubbish. They're charging existing customers $19.98 more than new customers to get the same thing!

Mordakai · Apr 20, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

On another thread I joked about people buying 12 slots... oops!

This is a good balance, IMO. Those that don't need slots, won't spend the extra money. Those that do now have the option.

Toffin · Apr 20, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

$10.00 is perfect.. not too expensive/not to cheap... just right... I want NOW not summer 2006... LOL Sign me up for the slots!!! Where do I pay, who do I pay, and here is my Credit card number.... XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX exp XX/XX ...

Only those with X-Rays glasses can see my CC Number....

Big Tony · Apr 20, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Dude....Really....Some people just can't be satisfied.

You don't NEED extra slots. Anet is saving you the cost of buying a new copy of GW to have extra slots, if you so desire. Ten bucks is really a drop in the bucket for most of us employed people, typing in this forum from work. What's the problem? Even it was free, people would still be here complaining that it isn't free enough!

Kool Pajamas · Apr 20, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

I'm probably crazy but I would have paid $20 per slot lol.

I dont see how you are getting ripped off. If you go to a sub shop to buy a sandwich, you either pay the money for whatever you get on the sub or you go to another sub shop. The sub shop doesnt say "ok I'll give you extra meat for free just because you are complaining". My store doesnt. If you dont like whats on it, go somewhere else. Eventually if enough people do leave, then they drop the prices. As long as people buy it, it will be what it is. Same goes for guild wars.

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Big Tony

Dude....Really....Some people just can't be satisfied.

You don't NEED extra slots. Anet is saving you the cost of buying a new copy of GW to have extra slots, if you so desire. Ten bucks is really a drop in the bucket for most of us employed people, typing in this forum from work. What's the problem? Even it was free, people would still be here complaining that it isn't free enough!

Great argument, except there's a few gaping holes that you fail to acknowledge. First, Anet isn't saving me the cost of buying a new copy of GW to have extra slots. If I were to buy Factions, I would be getting 2 less character slots than if I were to only buy Factions with Prophecies. To make that difference up, I'd have to fork over $19.98 of my hard earned money for naught. Simply put, they're charging me MORE for the SAME THING.

Rok · Apr 20, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by wheel

No, that's completely wrong. If I buy factions with prophecies, I'm only gaining the access to Cantha and 2 character slots. If I buy factions without prophecies, i'm getting access to Cantha and 4 character slots. Why should the fact that I already purchased Prophecies have an effect on how many character slots I get when I buy Factions? That's ridiculous logic.

Umm, no.

Adding Factions to your Prophesies account gives you 2 more slots with access to Prophesies & Factions. Factions alone has no access to Prophesies for your 4 Factions characters.

This has been discussed in depth in many threads before, no need to reiterate - go back and read those threads. The original problem started with only 4 slots for Prophesies and 6 primary classes. Factions only gets 4 slots for 8 primary classes. Quit whining and be happy they are offering more slots at all.

Pompeyfan · Apr 20, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

$10 per slot is exactly what you pay for a game you do not link.

4 character slots and 1 storage at $10 each = $50

This is far from a rip off and is exactly the same as buying a brand new account. Since GW is impossible to run 2 instances at the same time withough breaking the user agreement I'd agree with these prices.

No it's not the same - 4 extra character slotes = £23.96, New acount of GW 1 £17.99, new account of Factions £21.

Nice one ANET take away 2 slots because we choose to link chap 1 and 2 then sell them back to us for an extra £12

Big Tony · Apr 20, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

/agree with Rok

By only buying factions and not merging, you would get 4 slots BUT dont get to go back to Tyria (correct me if im wrong).

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by Rok

Umm, no.

Adding Factions to your Prophesies account gives you 2 more slots with access to Prophesies & Factions. Factions alone has no access to Prophesies for your 4 Factions characters.

This has been discussed in depth in many threads before, no need to reiterate - go back and read those threads. The original problem started with only 4 slots for Prophesies and 6 primary classes. Factions only gets 4 slots for 8 primary classes. Quit whining and be happy they are offering more slots at all.

People who already have Prophicies ALREADY PAID FOR IT. Why should they have to pay $19.98 more for the same thing? When you're buying Factions, are you getting access to Tyria? No; you're getting access to Cantha.

Big Tony · Apr 20, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by wheel

When you're buying Factions, are you getting access to Tyria? No; you're getting access to Cantha.

lol check?

lyra_song · Apr 20, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by wheel

This whole "merging" of accounts is complete rubbish. They're charging existing customers $19.98 more than new customers to get the same thing!

New costumer:
Cantha, 4 Slots, Skills from Factions

Old Costumer:
Tyria & Cantha, 4 Slots+2, Skills from both.

You are getting charged more because you are getting MORE than them. Remember, you arent paying for 1 way access, its both directions.

A Canthan only gets 4 accounts. BUT. No matter how many more accounts they buy, they wont have access to Tyria unless they buy it.

Mordakai · Apr 20, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by wheel

Great argument, except there's a few gaping holes that you fail to acknowledge. First, Anet isn't saving me the cost of buying a new copy of GW to have extra slots. If I were to buy Factions, I would be getting 2 less character slots than if I were to only buy Factions with Prophecies. To make that difference up, I'd have to fork over $19.98 of my hard earned money for naught. Simply put, they're charging me MORE for the SAME THING.

Except, they are not. You get 4 slots with initial purchase, 2 slots for each chapter after that. It doesn't matter what order you buy them in, you'll never get more than an additional 2 slots from merging Chapters.

Why? Because Anet needs money. Because you do not need to buy extra slots or additional Chapters or pay monthly fees, yet Anet has the same expense as other MORPGs. As Jeff Strain says, MORPGS are not like other games where you buy a CD and forget it. They are a service, which has to be continually monitored and updated. That costs Anet money, and if Guild Wars is going to survive, they need to make money to be profitable.

This is a great way to do that... b/c if you don't want or can't afford additional slots, you don't have to buy them! Win-Win.

crimsonfilms · Apr 20, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Factions alone has no access to Prophesies for your 4 Factions characters.

Then why eliminate 2 slots when combining? To have access?
I already paid for that access.
So you are telling me that because I want to combine 2 seperate purchases - I must lose something - right?

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Because you do not need to buy extra slots or addtional Chapters or pay monthly fees, yet Anet has the same expense as other MORPGs.

. Your 'need' argument lacks logic. Why stop there - why not say you don't need new slots at all. Keep it at 4.

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By only buying factions and not merging, you would get 4 slots BUT dont get to go back to Tyria (correct me if im wrong).

WTF is special about merging? I already PAID for that content. Why merging is so special. It is not unique or unexpected. In fact, it is probably the overwhelming rule to all who already bought Prophecies.

Did people expect not to be able to upgrade their current characters to Cantha? This 'merging is holier than thou' makes no sense.

When did upgrading your current characters become something special for a chapter release to a game?

I mean it is a 'chapter' right? That is what ANet is calling it. So the expectation to continue the story with current characters is expected if not a right.

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Except, they are not. You get 4 slots with initial purchase, 2 slots for each chapter after that. It doesn't matter what order you buy them in, you'll never get more than an addtitional 2 slots from merging Chapters.

Why? Because Anet needs money. Because you do not need to buy extra slots or addtional Chapters or pay monthly fees, yet Anet has the same expense as other MORPGs. As Jeff Strain says, MORPGS are not like other games where you buy a CD and forget it. They are a service, which has to be continually monitered and updated. That costs Anet money, and if Guild Wars is going to survive, they need to make money to be profitable.

This is a great way to do that... b/c if you don't want or can't afford additional slots, you don't have to buy them! Win-Win.

"Because Anet needs money" is not a reason to charge existing customers more for the same thing. The only reason they set up the whole arbitrary "2 slots per chapter after that" is to sell you more slots.

Mordakai · Apr 20, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by wheel

"Because Anet needs money" is not a reason to charge existing customers more for the same thing. The only reason they set up the whole arbitrary "2 slots per chapter after that" is to sell you more slots....

... to make more money. Nothing is wrong with a company making money by providing a service that people want.

You don't want the extra slots? Don't buy them. Don't buy Factions. It's your choice.

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

Then why eliminate 2 slots when combining? To have access?
I already paid for that access.

No. You paid for a game with certain content. You know what the content is. If you are not happy with the content, don't buy the game. It really is that simple.

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

Then why eliminate 2 slots when combining? To have access?
I already paid for that access.
So you are telling me that because I want to combine 2 seperate purchases - I must lose something - right?

EXACTLY. The "merging" of the accounts causing you to lose two character slots is entirely an arbitrary decision by Anet to, as revealed by today's decision, sell you more character slots.

wheel · Apr 20, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

... to make more money. Nothing is wrong with a company making money by providing a service that people want.

You don't want the extra slots? Don't buy them. Don't buy Factions. It's your choice.

I wasn't trying to make an argument as to the morality of a company trying to make money. What I'm saying is that they'd have more return business if they would give 4 character slots per added on campaign, and THEN sell you extra character slots at $10/slot. I'm sure lots of people would still buy them. People are already asking about the maximum amount you can have per account. At any rate, the issue isn't about my choice. The fact of the matter is, they're offering less for existing customers than they are for new customers. As an existing customer, I feel like I'm getting the raw end of the deal.

Mercury Angel · Apr 20, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

For people in need of storage space, the buyable slots are largely useless;

~$10-11 (1.78 dollars to a pound) USD for a buyable slot vs $50 USD for 4 new chars and a new storage.

Perhaps more importantly, Guild Wars isn't $50 from every retailer anymore. You can get for $40 at a handful, and I'd imagine it's even more heavily discounted elsewhere.

For PvP players, it's not really an issue.
For PvE players in general, I'm not sure whether they need them or not. I don't, but I can't speak for anyone else.

I'd imagine some would benefit more from the slots, while others prefer simply getting another account.